Todd Phillips rules out Joker and Batman film with Phoenix and Pattinson

  • Bang Showbiz
  • 10 September 2019
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Joaquin Phoenix as Joker

'Joker' helmer Tod Phillips has firmly insisted there are no plans to make a movie with Joaquin Phoenix's Joker and Robert Pattinson's Batman

Todd Phillips has ruled out a movie starring Joaquin Phoenix's Joker and Robert Pattinson's Batman.

The pair take on the roles of the super-villain and Caped Crusader in 'Joker' and 'The Batman' respectively, but the helmer of the former film gave a resounding "no" when asked if he sees the two characters coming together.

He told Variety: "No, definitely not.

"Oddly, in the states, comic books are our Shakespeare it seems, and you can do many many versions of 'Hamlet'.

"There will be many more jokers, I'm sure, in the future."

Meanwhile, Phillips recently revealed he was drawn to the role because he didn't feel like the Clown Prince of Crime's origin had really been touched on before.

He said: "I love the complexity of Joker and felt his origin would be worth exploring on film, since nobody's done that and even in the canon he has no formalised beginning.

"So, [co-writer] Scott Silver and I wrote a version of a complex and complicated character, and how he might evolve ... and then devolve.

"That is what interested me – not a Joker story, but the story of becoming Joker."

The filmmaker added how "empathy" was a big theme in the movie, which follows Arthur's Fleck's journey from a failed stand-up comedian to villain.

He added: "One of the themes we wanted to explore with the movie is empathy and, more importantly, the lack of empathy that is present in so much of Arthur's world.

"For example, in the movie you see the difference in the way little kids and adults react to Arthur, because kids see the world through no lens; they don't see rich versus poor or understand a marginalised individual the way adults do.

"They just see Arthur as a guy who's trying to make them smile.

"It's not inherent, we have to learn how to be unaccepting of others and, unfortunately, we usually do."


  • 5 stars
  • 2019
  • US
  • 2h 2min
  • 15
  • Directed by: Todd Phillips
  • Cast: Joaquin Phoenix, Zazie Beetz, Robert De Niro
  • UK release: 4 October 2019

Arthur Fleck (Phoenix) is an unsuccessful clown who wants to be a comedian, but he gradually turns to evil. This dizzying origin story about Batman’s nemesis is like an ode to 1970s New York City; Phoenix is astonishing and Phillips’s grave vision never swerves. Unmissable.

The Batman

  • 2021
  • US
  • Directed by: Matt Reeves
  • Cast: Robert Pattinson, Zoë Kravitz, Paul Dano, Jeffrey Wright, John Turturro, Peter Sarsgaard, Jayme Lawson, Andy Serkis, Colin Farrell
  • UK release: 25 June 2021

Another actor steps up to play dour old Batman. This time it's Twilight's Robert Pattinson.

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